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November 10, 2010

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"were yelling in the streets that they were going to kill everybody who remained in the town,"

That is the point where the men in the neighborhood should have picked up their shotguns and ended the problem. It is a tough situation but fleeing will only encourage it.

@anonymous_coward - If only it were that simple. Unfortunately, it's next to impossible for private citizens in Mexico to own pistols, let alone shotguns. And even if every man in town had a shotgun, I'd be willing to bet they'd be outgunned at least 3 to 1 by Los Zetas.

@anon-
Unorganized untrained citizens can be brave, but they do not have a chance against organized trained opponents. For example compare Iraq insurgent fighters' combat results against the US Armed Forces.

"@anonymous_coward - If only it were that simple. Unfortunately, it's next to impossible for private citizens in Mexico to own pistols, let alone shotguns. And even if every man in town had a shotgun, I'd be willing to bet they'd be outgunned at least 3 to 1 by Los Zetas."

Yes, I know. That was my point. The citizens have allowed a government (since gov power comes only from the citizens) that has enslaved them. As to your ratio they would be out gunned but the Zetas would be out manned by 10-1. Mexico is a poster child for why every free citizen needs 2nd amendment freedoms.

"@anon-
Unorganized untrained citizens can be brave, but they do not have a chance against organized trained opponents. For example compare Iraq insurgent fighters' combat results against the US Armed Forces."

Yes, the US mopped up that insurgency very quickly didn't, as well as the one in Afghanistan.

We are not talking about a nation state on par with the USA. We are talking about a relatively small group of individuals with some special training/weapons. They would be easily out numbered if the citizens actually fulfilled their duty to protect themselves. Just as the Taliban would be easily defeated if the Afghans fought back as well (aka Petraeus doctrine). The problem is that the Mexican citizens have embraced and glorified the narcos so there is no will to fight back (http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2010/11/reynosa-night-we-removed-our-masks.html). That is why no amount of aid to Mexico will solve this problem. You cannot free slave who glorify their slave masters and the culture of slavery.

The insurgency in western Iraq was not defeated because of extraordinary weapons or training (the US had tried that). It was defeated by the people standing up, noticing who the bad actors were and enforcing justice.


Perhaps they need to hire this dude:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068699/

First of all,Mexicans need not fight toe to toe con los carteles, that would be suicide. You would need a trained force to do that-no one has that except for other cartels. What Mexicans need to do is start demanding some real security from Calderon and their state governments. At almost all levels of government, cartels have some influence. Calderon protects sinaloa, elements of the pfp are influenced by zetas/sinaloa, state governments influenced by whatever cartels are functioning in their states. Mexicans need to force the government to take responsibility for this drug war. I'm sick and tired of reading American press that wont even question whether the Mexican federal government is in line with the cartels. How is the FBI/DEA supposed to conduct investigations with Mexican authorities when they themselves are in for the take?

-D

The Cartels have already told people to clear out of some towns before. Crazy, Terrorism possibly but that sounds a bit like something you might hear going on during the 1910 Mexican Revolution as well.

Per one of the comments above, though the states of Sinaloa and Chihuahua, especially the Copper Canyon area would make a big area, How hard would it be for Governments to burn up fields where heroin, marijuana, etc. is being grown? Is this not even an option?

Time for Mexican authorities to declare martial law...shut the town down w/ roadblocks.....bring in some Stryker or Bradley fighting vehicles....tanks.....whatever it takes....and run these thugs to jail or to their grave.

Sylvia

These statements by the local Mexican army are just complete and utter BS ...

"Mexican Army officials in Reynosa and Nuevo Laredo denied knowing of any recent violence in Ciudad Mier. The military sources denied any knowledge about the threats"

Take a look at the following article written by Tracey Wilkinson from the LA Times (dated 6 November of this year). These towns controlled by the Zeta's are going through sheer hell. And it's never reported by any of the local Mexican media - so the truth never reaches the outside world.

latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-mexico-cartel-rule-20101106,0,7042267,story

@P - That's the same army that sent 200 troops into Ciudad Mier and Ciudad Miguel Alemán today :).

Hi Sylvia,

I routinely travel Mx 2 between Nuevo Laredo and Reynosa, perhaps three times a month.

They are correct. Where Cd Mier used to be a sleepy little historic town (Cd Mier was the site in 1842 of General Santa Ana's "Black Bean Espisode"). It's now pretty much deserted. Burned out hulks of pickups in the streets and on the highway leading into town. The archway to the city has been shot all to hell with AK rounds. Sheer stupidity.

Does the military and federal police know what's happening there? Sure they do.

On the route from Nuevo Laredo to Reynosa, you pass through a half dozen or so small towns. Beginning with the turnoff to Viejo Guerrero (a dirt road), the Mexican army has a five vehilce roving checkpoint established in the area. All the rest of the towns along Mx2 also have check points set up at the main turnoff into the towns. Checkpoints consisting of local police and transito, State Police and Federal Police. Also, about 30 miles north of Reynosa, the name of the small town escapes me, there is a permanent Army checkpoint, with towers and sandbagged machine gun emplacements.

Cd. Mier? Nothing! The towns dead and from the looks of things, it will stay that way. During my travels, I've never seen sicarios or other punks in the street yelling or raising hell.

Sylvia, many of the so called Zetitas, or baby Zetas, are punks with guns. No training, and no education, the latter which makes them more dangerous. I believe it is safe to say, the founders of Los Zetas, the renegade GAFE soldiers are pretty much dead or in prison.

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